Comments on: Web Standards based design and SEO – Calling out the industry in 2008 http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/ Online Marketing, Product Strategy Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:34:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Niya http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-100 Niya Fri, 16 May 2008 14:43:28 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-100 Bruce, Interesting article. Nice to know SEO experts realize the huge benefits of writing valid, semantic markup. Just to add on, there are other strategies that may augment, or boost, your SEO rankings; E.G., keyword placement, keyword selection, the title attribute, meta information (well, not so much nowadays, but it helps a tad) and writing good, relevant content/copy for your target audience. A little user research would go a long way too. Get in the minds of your consumers, how they search and what they're thinking and things will be 'all good.' Oh, there are a few HTML and CSS errors; not as many as 71/7, so you must have done a little house-cleaning. Far better than 99% of the sites out there! Again, nice article and thanks for sharing. Cheers, Niya Bruce,

Interesting article. Nice to know SEO experts realize the huge benefits of writing valid, semantic markup.

Just to add on, there are other strategies that may augment, or boost, your SEO rankings; E.G., keyword placement, keyword selection, the title attribute, meta information (well, not so much nowadays, but it helps a tad) and writing good, relevant content/copy for your target audience. A little user research would go a long way too. Get in the minds of your consumers, how they search and what they’re thinking and things will be ‘all good.’

Oh, there are a few HTML and CSS errors; not as many as 71/7, so you must have done a little house-cleaning. Far better than 99% of the sites out there!

Again, nice article and thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

Niya

]]> By: mcinvale http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-99 mcinvale Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:49:52 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-99 your page has 71 errors and 7 warnings. so much for standards, eh? :P your page has 71 errors and 7 warnings. so much for standards, eh? :P

]]> By: Mark http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-98 Mark Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:41:38 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-98 Hey Tony, The more I read about your profession, the more I want to work in it. Can you or any of your readers provide me specific groups in Los Angeles where I can meet up with professionals and rub shoulders? Your help is really appreciated. Please respond directly to my email address. Thanks, Mark@moshee.net Hey Tony,

The more I read about your profession, the more I want to work in it. Can you or any of your readers provide me specific groups in Los Angeles where I can meet up with professionals and rub shoulders?

Your help is really appreciated. Please respond directly to my email address.

Thanks,

Mark@moshee.net

]]> By: Jason Wehmhoener http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-97 Jason Wehmhoener Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:44:39 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-97 Bruce, presentation-oriented class names are a symptom of a larger problem, which is an essential lack of semantics in markup and CSS. The use of HTML tags appropriate to their meaning (h1...h6 for headings, p for paragraphs, etc) rather than div or table/tr/td for *everything* is going to help crawlers make sense of your site. Also, to more directly comment on the use of class names, look into microformats, which use classes to identify even more granular semantic meaning within web content than HTML tags alone can convey. Using semantic class names also has non-SEO benefits. It's just a good idea, and like Jeremy said, chicks dig it! -Jason Bruce, presentation-oriented class names are a symptom of a larger problem, which is an essential lack of semantics in markup and CSS.

The use of HTML tags appropriate to their meaning (h1…h6 for headings, p for paragraphs, etc) rather than div or table/tr/td for *everything* is going to help crawlers make sense of your site.

Also, to more directly comment on the use of class names, look into microformats, which use classes to identify even more granular semantic meaning within web content than HTML tags alone can convey.

Using semantic class names also has non-SEO benefits. It’s just a good idea, and like Jeremy said, chicks dig it!

-Jason

]]> By: Tony Adam http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-96 Tony Adam Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:43:24 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-96 @bruce - the only thing I could think of is a bit blackhat and spammy...but keyword stuffing in your class names...i've seen it done...and while I find that annoying, I would rather see "RealEstateNav" vs. "style1" anyday. @Kimberly I would say it is more of a problem of people in general not following Web standards. Overall, the point is not that being semantic helps your SEO, but standards compliance does (as I am sure you both know), but being semantic will effect your overall ROI to an organization and for your own. @bruce – the only thing I could think of is a bit blackhat and spammy…but keyword stuffing in your class names…i’ve seen it done…and while I find that annoying, I would rather see “RealEstateNav” vs. “style1″ anyday.

@Kimberly I would say it is more of a problem of people in general not following Web standards.

Overall, the point is not that being semantic helps your SEO, but standards compliance does (as I am sure you both know), but being semantic will effect your overall ROI to an organization and for your own.

]]> By: Kimberly Blessing http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-95 Kimberly Blessing Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:02:59 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-95 Is this a problem of people not practicing what they preach? Or are other SEO specialists not even preaching the Web standards gospel? And who are the guilty parties? Is this a problem of people not practicing what they preach? Or are other SEO specialists not even preaching the Web standards gospel? And who are the guilty parties?

]]> By: bruce lawson http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-94 bruce lawson Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:04:34 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-94 I entirely agree (but, as a member of the Web Standards Project, you'd expect me to). Playing devil's advocate, though, can you explain the S.E.O. advantages of not having CSS classes like ’style1′ and ’smallBlueArial’? I entirely agree (but, as a member of the Web Standards Project, you’d expect me to).

Playing devil’s advocate, though, can you explain the S.E.O. advantages of not having CSS classes like ’style1′ and ’smallBlueArial’?

]]> By: Jeremy Gillick http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-93 Jeremy Gillick Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:24:21 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-93 This is absolutely right and something I wish more people would do. Thanks for laying down the smackdown and waking people up! CSS classes like 'style1' and 'smallBlueArial' are just plain lazy development. Getting rid of tables and using clean semantic HTML/CSS and proper content ordering will drastically improve your site's speed, SEO and customer satisfaction. And hey, chicks digg it! :o) This is absolutely right and something I wish more people would do. Thanks for laying down the smackdown and waking people up!

CSS classes like ‘style1′ and ‘smallBlueArial’ are just plain lazy development.

Getting rid of tables and using clean semantic HTML/CSS and proper content ordering will drastically improve your site’s speed, SEO and customer satisfaction. And hey, chicks digg it! :o )

]]> By: WEBOSIS http://visiblefactors.com/blog/58-web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-92 WEBOSIS Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:56:49 +0000 http://tonyadam.com/blog/web-standards-based-design-and-seo-calling-out-the-industry-in-2008/#comment-92 Great post! I've always said that one cannot be truly effective at SEO without having, at least, basic knowledge in design and development. Great post! I’ve always said that one cannot be truly effective at SEO without having, at least, basic knowledge in design and development.

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